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greetings to all the lovers of the

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the sky watchers of the night

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hello citizens and welcome to unknown

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i'm jason mcclellan i'm here with

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maureen elsberry ryan sprague and shane

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hurd today for our monthly

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ufo happy hour thanks for hanging out

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with us

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so guys we're going to do what we

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try to do with these these happy hour

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episodes and that is just

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have fun and kind of talk about some of

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the things that have made news

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during this this month we're recording

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this in january so we're going to be

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talking about things that have made

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made news already early in this 2021

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year

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so to start let's talk about

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what flooded the headlines right away

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because at the end of the year you know

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we had this this massive

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coveted relief bill is how it was billed

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you know to the public most of the the

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reporting was about that because it

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contained

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things related to coveted relief but it

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was really this just large

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omnibus spending bill for the end of the

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year had a bunch of stuff just crammed

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into it

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and one of those things was that little

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piece that we'd been following

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for half the year and that was about

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this

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uh request for a report from the

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government from government agencies

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about ufo-related information and so

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we saw this flood of headlines already

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this year about how that 180-day

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countdown

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has started it has begun so

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within 180 days we could have this

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uh report shedding all of the

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government's ufo secrets right ryan

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absolutely man i have no doubt this is

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the disclosure we've been waiting for

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for decades it's finally happening god

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i i hope you can uh sense the uh circus

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in there but um just a little bit just a

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little bit

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yeah so yeah i mean it's just so funny

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i don't know why we still get surprised

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by this but it is funny

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every time we have any sort of news like

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this that just generates countless

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or media outlets around the world

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something like this

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where the majority of the headlines just

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completely misrepresent

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what is actually taking place and we

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definitely saw that with this just

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headline after headline talking about

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the countdown has started in 180 days

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the government is going to

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reveal all of its secrets to the public

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and that's obviously not true first of

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all number one

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it's silly to think they're revealing

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all of their secrets because they're not

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going to reveal any secrets that's

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that's not the point of this and that

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is not how the government works but

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number two

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it's not in 180 days it's within 180

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and i think many of us suspect that

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that's going to be completed much sooner

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than 180 days

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from the start of that countdown but

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then beyond that

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it's not they're not doing this out of

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the goodness of their hearts

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they're not doing this as a show of good

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to just give the public everything it

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knows about ufos this is not a

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a public benefit project it's something

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for military purposes that is being

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for the government to get a better

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understanding of their information

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sharing and the

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information they each individual agency

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might have it's not putting this stuff

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in a pleasant report to give to the

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public and that's what a lot of these

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are are indicating or suggesting or or

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just outright saying

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is going to happen and that's just not

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the case yeah and i think

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what you need to do is look at this

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there's two good things

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about this one is we're on the path

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forward to having a unified way to

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a standardized way to report and unify

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reports on anomalous phenomenon great

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uh that's a good start second again this

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is kind of the thing the media has been

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mis explaining so to speak as

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as you mentioned jason is this is an

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unclassified report

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however there is also an annex

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section so again we see when

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uh the government releases documents and

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i know we'll get this

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into this uh more in depth in our next

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point in this happy hour uh is that

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even when you have these big public sort

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so again are we going to get to have

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this big disclosure event

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no don't get your hopes up it's exciting

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that it was

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crammed into this massive trillion

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relief bill

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that kind of just slid in there let's

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get this out of the way too

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but um honestly yes if it's a threat to

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our our aerospace it's of course

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important that we get this

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on track but i feel like we have a hell

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of a lot more to worry about

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within this first 180 days

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of our new administration so

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i think everyone just needs to take a

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breath don't read too much into it and

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and let's hopefully have this be a step

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in the right direction but it's not

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going to be that

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that big event people are hoping for

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about just the the timing of all of this

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and yes there are many other

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pressing issues right now that i think

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these different agencies and

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organizations compiling their ufo

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information and sharing it with each

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other for this report

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there are a lot of important things

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going on right now and yes ufos are

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important

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but you know people are dealing with the

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things we have here on earth right now

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i think that's we're already seeing some

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of that stuff happen with

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uh you know some personnel shifting

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happening with people being

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assigned different roles so already

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before a lot of the stuff is even

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starting we're having

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shifting and changing happening with an

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very small possibly just couple people

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with the uap task force specifically

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granted they're they're not the ones

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putting together this report and they're

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not the only ones involved in it

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but with already that kind of movement

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it could mean things are a little slower

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uh forthcoming and and as soon as we

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to be but to your point you brought up

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the unclassified part

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maureen and and i mentioned on the

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previous episode

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just what that means you know it's not

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it's not just a flipping term they threw

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out there unclassified specifically

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something and it does not mean public it

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that necessarily it's going to be

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for the public granted this stuff you

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know down the road of course through

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foia requests

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um unclassified stuff come out but

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unclassified

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can't be released to the public unless

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it is authorized for that public release

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do i think that's going to happen yeah

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probably i think to some degree

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there will be a public release

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authorized on this

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unclassified report but to just assume

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that's going to happen

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or to present this whole thing in a way

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this is for the public it's going to be

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that's just assuming facts not in

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evidence

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yeah all the fun stuff will be hidden

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yeah it will it always is maureen and i

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i know it's this isn't directly the uap

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but uh when we we've seen

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that this task force doesn't even have a

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budget that we're aware of

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besides the bill

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and the 180 days for findings um

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what are we are we going to get anything

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from this uap task force because

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right now it looks like they don't have

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any money to even do it

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it's probably being allocated to other

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where this bill was slipped in so i

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you know if we'll even get anything from

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the task force let alone this

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this senate bill that was passed um and

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i think we just need to keep applying

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pressure i think that's what it comes

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down to people like john

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greenwald going for those foyer requests

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is the only way we're gonna get anything

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well and i would like to hope that maybe

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this will because we have been

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at this point and similar points in the

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road in the whole ufo

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process with the government many times

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and what i hope comes out of this is

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an accelerated sort of relearning what

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we've already learned and then moving to

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the next step

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because we have these these periods that

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go by where the government

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you know kind of scratches their head

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and goes huh we've got to figure out

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these ufos

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then they finally talk to each other

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they finally look into it

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and they get this information that

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they've had all along and

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you know shouldn't be going back and

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reinventing the will but that's always

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what happens

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then they finally get back up to speed

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again and then it kind of peters out and

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nothing happens

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so i'm hoping that you know there's

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enough momentum now that's generated by

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that they will look through their boxes

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they'll talk to the different groups

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they'll put all their their heads

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assess the current situation and then

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move on

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to the next step without letting it die

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out and waste all their their current

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efforts

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yeah i think this is just uh chris

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right sorry sorry the interruption but

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the efforts of the people who

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actually got this into the senate

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intelligence committee and be like

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yo put some pressure on your agencies

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like stuff's going on the public wants

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to know so

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i mean they did so much to get that in

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there let's not just drop the ball now

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like i think the public really needs to

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kind of take the reins at this point

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because we know

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the government's not going to like you

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said they're going to make us wait it

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yeah i think this whole bill thing is

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really just

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a very much a baby step

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and there's really two sides to it

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because really they could have submitted

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a bill

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that had no public reporting element to

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it

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they could have still got a report and

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brief congress and

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it you know various government agencies

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who

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had an interest um and not

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not disclosed anything so there is there

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is two sides to it but

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um i i found kind of interesting some of

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the

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word on that i think you know we're

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we're focused on ufos and have been

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these are people who

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probably have zero knowledge you know

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congressmen

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and so forth that um you know this will

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be dipping their toe in the water but

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um i like kind of some quotes here from

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there was a military.com article

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recently

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and they said that lawmakers are

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concerned that there's no

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unified comprehensive process within the

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federal government

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for collecting and analyzing

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intelligence

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on unidentified aerial phenomena

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despite the potential threat which is

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why the sweeping report on all relevant

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information

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regarding uaps is essential and they

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want information on up

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uaps that were found using and this is

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what i thought was kind of

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interesting geospatial intelligence

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signals intelligence human intelligence

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measurement and signal signature

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intelligence regardless of which

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agency or service collected the data

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right there gives you some insight about

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how

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pervasive ufo data is within the

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government

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and has been picked up or noticed on

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very

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varying intelligence capabilities

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so they list they list some things here

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that i actually have not heard of

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um you know it's where they're

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geospatial and the signals and the human

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of course but

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uh measurement and signature

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intelligence i'm not even sure what that

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is

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um and so i think it's pretty

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fascinating

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we are seeing something new and unique

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to it to a slight degree but i think

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it's just new because

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they're really trying to educate just a

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whole new group of of lawmakers

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but at the same time they seem to be

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acquiescing to the pressure

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by the public to to have more

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information on this so

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i don't know they're probably going to

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be walking a fine line

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they'll produce a report we'll see what

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we get out of it i by no means feel it's

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disclosure of any sort

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but it is a step in the right direction

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so i think it's pretty fascinating

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and i look forward to it but you know

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certainly my uh

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enthusiasm is quelled by the last 70

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years of

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um you know the track record that

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they have of obfuscating this whole

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subject

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i will say though it kind of feels like

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they can't put the

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the cat back in the bag uh that we've

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gotten to this point where

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the internet and technology and what's

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happening is you can no longer

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hide this subject and that the

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government should or

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or does have interest in it there's

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there's no going back now so while

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things might not move

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in a fast pace i don't think they

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have the liberty to be as secretive as

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they have in the past

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in terms of uh research organizations

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within the government

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you know i could be wrong of course i'm

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not saying that if

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everything's going to be sunny going

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forward or that these programs

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won't like ryan said they have no

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financing so

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it's basically i was kind of laughing

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because it reminded me of

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uh mulder and scully in the basement

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uh you know kind of like here we're

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going to cram you in this small back

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room in the basement

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uh go look at your files uh

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with without much budget because ever

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they do have they do have that

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nice travel budget but anyways uh

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i i can see um a more positive

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route forward in terms of

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of at least the government knowing that

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uh the public's not going to shut up

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anymore

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point shane about about disclosure i

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agree with you i don't think this is

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any any sort of disclosure and i think

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if anything

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whether it's intentionally crafted this

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way or not

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i think both based on the wording we've

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seen

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related to this report request and

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detailed uh purpose behind it

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it's just demonstrating and showing

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that the government doesn't really

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know anything about ufos that again

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whether whether that's intentional or

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not that's

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you know the narrative that they want to

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create by doing this they certainly

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could do that

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and they're doing a good job of it but

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on its face

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what this demonstrates is that they

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don't really have a lot of information

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they don't really understand the

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information they need more information

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because they're sort of operating

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blindly so

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that is basically them saying hey we

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don't we don't know

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about these ufos but we're trying to

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figure that out so

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whether or not that's true you know we

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don't know but they can certainly

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create that narrative going forward from

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this point

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yeah absolutely and i was even thinking

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just

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i don't know how the report will be

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constructed and so forth but

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it's calling for a variety of

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governmental agencies to produce

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information on

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their ufo research right well not all

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70 years or agencies that you would

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think would be included they're very

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specifically

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chosen yeah it's interesting yeah yeah

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so that

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i'm very curious about that because

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really for 70 years we've all just been

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basically looking at the air force and

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then only until a couple years ago oh

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the navy has a program

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well what other organizations are we

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going to find out that have programs

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research and study programs on ufos

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that in itself would be huge you know

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getting a grasp or an understanding of

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that something that that's been hidden

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from us for all this time so

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i mean i'm sure there's some information

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to glean from that report

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uh you know they're not probably going

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to say oh yeah israel

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roswell's real and happened just like

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everyone thinks but

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but we're going to get a lot of

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information that you know will help

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connect

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other dots i guess is what i'm saying

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through throughout you know

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uh ufo research hopefully hopefully

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yeah no i'm optimistic i think some good

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stuff will come out yeah

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oh i was just gonna add one thing on

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what you said they don't know

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um i spoke to luis elizondo like a week

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ago

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and i asked him i'm like do you know who

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these people are on the uap task force

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and he was like yeah of course i do and

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i'm like all right is there anything you

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can share

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like and he's like no i mean i'm not at

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liberty to discuss who it is

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he's like just be just know that they

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know who you

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all are and i think he meant you know

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the ufo community these people

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that are doing research and putting

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things out there

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so i think that's kind of a sign that

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they are

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looking to us for information whether

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they are

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making that visible to us or not he did

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say oh yeah

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i mean some of these twitter handles

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that just pop out of nowhere i guarantee

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you it's them

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looking at the work all of you are doing

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so i don't know if that was meant to

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make us all paranoid or what but

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it does make me think huh yeah maybe

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they don't maybe they are starting from

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scratch

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and they're going to the only people

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they know will have information

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and that's people who've been looking at

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it for 70 plus years so

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it gives me some hope that we still have

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a place

537
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in all of this you know when when kind

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of the whole ufo

539
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narrative gets gobbled up by the navy or

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the or the um

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defense department um they are they're

542
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they're looking at what

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we are doing in the public as well

544
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because ultimately they do have to

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answer to us some ways somehow

546
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you you say that like you think they

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really care

548
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that's a good point that's a good point

549
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i don't think no reason to tell you

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anything and they don't care if you're

551
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uh annoyed or pissed off at it at all so

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that's so true let's move on to our next

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00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:40,480
topic something else that has made

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similar

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headlines a lot of headlines man so many

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media outlets around the world have

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covered this

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and this sort of ties in to the

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uh ufo report request and that

560
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is cia ufo files

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and there have been so many headlines

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lately saying that

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the cia ahead of its ahead of the

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deadline of 180 days has decided to

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release all of its ufo files

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um you know tying this in saying that uh

567
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the cia the recent news you've seen

568
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about cia ufo files

569
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is anyway related to this uap

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or ufo report and that is not the case

571
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it has

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nothing to do with it the cia didn't

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recently release their ufo files

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cia didn't do anything what did happen

575
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was researcher john greenwald took a

576
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,080
cd-rom

577
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,200
that he had acquired from the cia

578
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,240
and went through the painstaking process

579
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,600
of taking each of those individual files

580
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,480
and you know nearly 3 000 pages worth of

581
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:48,559
ufo files that were in

582
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,679
random formats like like tiff

583
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,600
image formats and stuff converted them

584
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,520
to pdf and made them searchable

585
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:58,159
so what john did was take all these cia

586
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,360
files that had already been

587
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,200
classified already been out for for many

588
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:02,720
years in cases some

589
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,919
since the 90s but he

590
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,919
went through the process of making them

591
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,520
so they're easy to go through

592
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,480
easy to search presented them in a more

593
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,440
user-friendly

594
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,840
format so huge thanks to john for that

595
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,200
no small task

596
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:20,080
but almost all of the reporting about

597
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:20,559
this

598
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,130
has been completely wrong

599
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,200
[Music]

600
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,679
yeah yeah i think um john even mentioned

601
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:29,200
in some of the interviews he did after

602
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:30,240
this like

603
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,679
um they make it incredibly difficult to

604
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,320
search so i think it's amazing because

605
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,760
you know you guys know as

606
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:39,840
researchers like we're looking for the

607
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,640
most expedited way to find information

608
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:44,880
um you know that doesn't mean google

609
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,600
search done my research is over but like

610
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:49,600
if you're looking for a certain thing

611
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,640
from

612
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,840
the dod like type in dod and now john's

613
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,200
made it accessible

614
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:57,360
all files within the dod will be right

615
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,240
here so

616
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,840
i think that's awesome but like you said

617
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,000
jason yeah i mean how many people came

618
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:03,520
to you guys the day after all these

619
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,000
headlines

620
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,919
were like oh my god the cia released

621
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,280
everything it's like no

622
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,200
no we've we've read we've been reading

623
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,640
these files for like

624
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,000
10 years now right again and and john

625
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,559
john does uh you know always talk about

626
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,600
the fact that

627
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:20,320
the cia and they know what they're doing

628
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:21,280
they're trying to

629
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:25,200
bury researchers in a ton of documents

630
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,480
and hopefully

631
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,159
you know they'll get bored and give up

632
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,679
or get frustrated

633
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,640
um so in another problem with a lot of

634
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,080
these documents is

635
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,280
is i know john mentioned in an interview

636
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,720
that the the old typewriter fonts

637
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,840
make it really difficult sometimes to

638
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,919
read the lettering so if you search ufo

639
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,360
on on black vault you're going to get a

640
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,039
ton of documents that aren't actually

641
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,440
ufo related

642
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,480
but you know again

643
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,320
like ryan mentioned a lot of these

644
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:58,240
people who are not familiar with ufo

645
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,880
subject

646
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:01,760
in depth have have you know reached out

647
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:02,080
and

648
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,280
is this a smoking gun or or what have

649
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,400
you in and no

650
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,960
and a lot of these documents are so

651
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,559
heavily redacted

652
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,080
that there's nothing

653
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,880
to of note there except for you know

654
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,840
maybe

655
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,799
seeing uh hints of evidence that there

656
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,520
were

657
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,919
was physical evidence of some kind that

658
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,600
the government was looking at

659
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,520
and that the government was interested

660
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,720
in ufos

661
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240
after they said they weren't after

662
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:34,480
project blue book and and a handful of

663
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,039
other

664
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,039
things but you're not gonna find

665
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:42,000
uh sort of information the cia admitting

666
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,039
that that

667
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,600
ufos are extraterrestrial in nature like

668
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,960
that you're probably not gonna find

669
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,320
you'd have to do a

670
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,480
hell of a lot of digging in these uh and

671
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,240
word play i would say

672
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,360
yes it the the thing with these

673
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:58,240
files it i always roll my eyes when i

674
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,720
see

675
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,799
new things come out about the cia ufo

676
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,440
files or the fbi ufo files

677
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,799
because you know anytime there's any

678
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,799
sort of movement or activity or anything

679
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,080
related to these

680
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:13,200
there's always tons of headlines making

681
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:14,000
it out

682
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,559
to be this new thing that the fbi wow

683
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,720
they they had an interest in ufos they

684
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,320
have ufo files this is like earth

685
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,600
shattering news first time we're hearing

686
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,960
about this

687
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,080
but that's not the case we've heard

688
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,400
about it so many times before and

689
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,440
both the cia and the fbi love to play on

690
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,200
this you know they've really

691
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,279
really milked it milked these files for

692
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,120
everything they they can get

693
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,279
we certainly saw it with the x-files

694
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,960
revivals you know they would

695
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,960
they would love to you know be cheeky

696
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:44,960
with it on twitter and post hey you want

697
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,840
to check out our real ufo files and

698
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,279
uh you know they've had them on their

699
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,840
website the fbi's got it's got its uh

700
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,520
you know the reading room and these

701
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,840
places where you know the ufo files are

702
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,559
some of their

703
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,679
most most popular searched uh

704
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,919
files in their databases they've had

705
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,960
this stuff available

706
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,960
is it all all they have no certainly not

707
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:06,159
and john points that out too with the

708
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,960
cia

709
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,400
they've got their ufo files right on

710
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,760
their website you can go and search

711
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
there

712
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,799
it's not very user friendly and he

713
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,480
points out that

714
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,880
you know what they have on their website

715
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,000
is not

716
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,279
all of their files allegedly all of

717
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,279
their files are what was on the cd-rom

718
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,559
that he has since put on

719
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,120
the black ball but even that you know

720
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,480
there's no way of knowing if that's all

721
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,320
their files but according to the cie

722
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,039
cia it is all of their ufo files so we

723
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,880
don't know but the point is

724
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,039
they've been out there available for the

725
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,440
public for quite a long time

726
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,360
it's not something new and it has

727
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,480
nothing to do

728
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,799
with the report currently being

729
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,120
requested by the senate

730
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,360
one of the files was actually kind of

731
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,720
interesting that john

732
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,679
came across that i hadn't heard of um so

733
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,440
i mean there was some cool stuff

734
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,039
to come out of it at least we got some

735
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,600
new stuff to look at i mean he found a

736
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,000
file from the assistant deputy director

737
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:05,039
for science and technology um who was

738
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,440
shown

739
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,799
something about ufos and um he decided

740
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,240
he would personally look into it

741
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:12,240
and after he gave advice on how to move

742
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,360
forward with

743
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,880
these ufo files he was given and um that

744
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,440
advice

745
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,200
of course in the file is completely

746
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:21,440
redacted it looks like stan friedman's

747
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,400
worst nightmare

748
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,000
everything's blacked out in it but um

749
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,360
cool nonetheless um i found a file

750
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,400
dug really really deep for this one um

751
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:34,480
and it came from 1954 and it was about a

752
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,200
shortage

753
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,120
of coca-cola bottles um and this was

754
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,919
yup yup this came from the cia so yeah

755
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,440
you're gonna type in ufo and get some

756
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,440
weird stuff not just about ufos

757
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,880
there was a shortage of coca-cola

758
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:48,880
bottles in 1954

759
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,360
august 4th in case anyone was wondering

760
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,559
you never know what you're going to find

761
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,520
coca-cola no these things are always so

762
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,480
fascinating

763
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,480
yeah there's there's great reading to be

764
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,480
done in there but i agree i mean we

765
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,600
really find

766
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,440
you know anything that's super exciting

767
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,799
in these mountain dumps of files but

768
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,480
they're interesting interesting reading

769
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,840
and interesting to see

770
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,240
what the cia what the fbi what these

771
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,799
different agencies

772
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:21,279
deem worthy of keeping in their files

773
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,840
like it's

774
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,120
some of it's just completely random you

775
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,960
have no idea why they were involved in

776
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,080
the first place

777
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:28,399
but uh let's move on to our next story

778
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,120
and

779
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,480
this one you know i'm

780
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,320
i'm excited about for for a few

781
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,000
different reasons but the main reason

782
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,520
is i am and have always been a big

783
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,279
robert bigelow fan

784
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:44,240
and you probably saw the past week a lot

785
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:45,279
of headlines about

786
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
robert bigelow and robert bigelow is a

787
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,799
multi-millionaire he's not quite a

788
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,640
billionaire that's a common mistake he's

789
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,240
not a billionaire but almost a

790
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,760
billionaire

791
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,960
because he spent so much of his personal

792
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,000
fortune

793
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,440
on space and on investigating ufos and

794
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:04,960
other paranormal

795
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,640
topics and you know he uh

796
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,720
he is the head of bigelow aerospace

797
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,399
which is kind of at a standstill right

798
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,120
now

799
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,039
made his fortune

800
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,039
with in real estate in las vegas with

801
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,720
budget suites of america

802
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,200
and the whole point of him acquiring

803
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,440
wealth was because he wanted to

804
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,120
do this research of his personal

805
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:28,720
interests he wanted to

806
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,320
do projects to take people into space

807
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,840
and that's what he's spending his money

808
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,360
doing so

809
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,200
we're all pretty familiar with you know

810
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,279
his ufo history and how he's kind of

811
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,039
been involved in

812
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,520
seemingly every aspect of the ufo

813
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,440
phenomenon

814
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,720
and has sort of had his hand in

815
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,039
every case it seems which is really

816
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,320
interesting

817
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:55,279
but he's making news recently because

818
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,320
he's

819
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,760
not uh dipping his toe in the water of

820
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,000
this particular topic he's returning

821
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,279
to the topic of sort of consciousness

822
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,399
and looking at you know can we survive

823
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,679
death does consciousness survive death

824
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,720
and

825
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200
so if you haven't read it i highly

826
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,799
encourage you to check out

827
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,720
the new york times article that ralph

828
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:19,840
blumenthal

829
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:23,840
wrote on january 21st it is

830
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,960
an awesome deep dive article into

831
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,279
robert bigelow kind of his history how

832
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,840
he got into all these weird subjects

833
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,520
all the things he's been not all the

834
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,279
things but a lot of the things he's been

835
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,080
a part of how he's personally financed a

836
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,320
lot of paranormal investigations

837
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,559
and how currently he's offering nearly a

838
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,760
million dollars

839
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,039
if you can help him figure out how to

840
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,200
survive death

841
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,279
and i hope people aren't going out and

842
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,880
actually

843
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:53,120
you know experimenting like trying to

844
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,480
figure out how to survive

845
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,480
death and i could see that leading into

846
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,559
very disastrous situations

847
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:01,120
yeah one thing i i find interesting too

848
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,679
um

849
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,200
and we know that bigelow's already

850
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:04,720
always had kind of um

851
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,320
this spiritual uh consciousness

852
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,600
sort of background in terms of of life

853
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:13,919
after death and his wife he mentions in

854
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,279
his interview with george had um

855
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,760
paranormal experiences with apparitions

856
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,320
and and

857
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,039
and things like that um but i find it

858
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,960
interesting this the timing

859
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,320
where netflix just released uh

860
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,200
you know leslie kane's uh the series

861
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,919
based off of her book surviving death

862
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,600
and now there's this netflix series

863
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,279
which i have to be honest i haven't seen

864
00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:38,159
it yet

865
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,600
um but it's all about you know

866
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,080
experiences

867
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,799
uh when people had near death

868
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,760
experiences

869
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,760
uh so it's very interesting that this

870
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,919
has popped up within the same month that

871
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,720
that show

872
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:53,039
was released as well so it's always all

873
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,840
connected

874
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,399
yeah like well it's interesting that

875
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,080
this is going to be a new fascinating

876
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,760
realm for people i think and people are

877
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:01,279
going to get interested in the subject

878
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,679
by

879
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,559
via binging netflix at home during a

880
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,720
pandemic and uh

881
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,000
all these other aspects so yeah

882
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,760
leslie is tied into this she's one of

883
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,679
the judges for this this contest that

884
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:15,760
he's hosted the essay contest

885
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,600
yeah she's also a uh she's also a member

886
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,919
right on the new board of his

887
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,320
i believe yes she is and this is

888
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:26,159
something again that he's been involved

889
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,640
in

890
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,919
you know decades ago and

891
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,320
you know he was involved in the research

892
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,159
of bud hopkins

893
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,559
um you know so a lot of these tie-ins

894
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:38,240
this is these are relationships and

895
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:38,960
research

896
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,919
that has been sort of ongoing and

897
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:42,880
working together

898
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,159
for decades yeah

899
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:48,080
i mean i think maureen's right too like

900
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,679
everyone's kind of

901
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,679
looking at their mortality right now i

902
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,399
think in the middle of a pandemic and

903
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,399
i i know for a fact you know the netflix

904
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,559
series had been in the works for a while

905
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,080
but they weren't sure when it was going

906
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,840
to come out so i'm sure

907
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,159
again it's like with the show

908
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:06,559
unidentified and then the a-tip story is

909
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,279
coming out

910
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:09,279
it's all connected all these people they

911
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,480
work together

912
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,480
to find the right times to release these

913
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,080
things right that's marketing

914
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,480
and like that's what you do so i i

915
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,760
completely understand

916
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,840
that side of it um maureen you brought

917
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,360
up another good point is

918
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,600
bigelow's wife and i think she passed

919
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,279
away this past year if i'm

920
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,840
not mistaken so you have to wonder how

921
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,679
much of that was an impetus for

922
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,679
bigelow to revisit this it's kind of

923
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,799
morbid and

924
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,720
and almost romantic in a way to think

925
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,720
maybe you know this is why he's getting

926
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,320
back into the afterlife game

927
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,559
because he just lost the love of his

928
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,799
life so um yeah i don't know

929
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,480
he's had to deal with death a lot you

930
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,320
know he certainly had a son who

931
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,640
committed suicide and then a grandson

932
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,720
who committed suicide so

933
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,480
you know i i get it there's a lot of

934
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,080
personal reasons there

935
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,080
you know i saw a lot of people or not a

936
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,600
lot of people but some people giving him

937
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,240
[\h__\h]

938
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,760
you know for wanting to explore this

939
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,279
topic thinking he's some just

940
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,919
just some uh rich guy who's so arrogant

941
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,360
wants to live forever

942
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,679
and that's not the case i mean i can't

943
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,960
speak for robert bigelow

944
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,799
and certainly i know people who have

945
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,240
worked for rubber bigelow and

946
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,080
don't have the most glowing review of

947
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,240
the man but

948
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,320
when it comes to this topic i i don't

949
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,080
see him as being this

950
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,960
sort of ego driven wealthy individual

951
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,640
who wants to live forever because he's

952
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,880
so great not at all

953
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,880
i think it has to do with these person

954
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:29,919
personal

955
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,200
uh you know family issues and

956
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,159
wanting to know if there's more what

957
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,679
comes next where where

958
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,320
where are my loved ones and and can i

959
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,480
possibly reach them

960
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:45,039
yeah yeah and a lot of his early

961
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,640
research had to do with consciousness

962
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,120
too

963
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,600
yeah right with nids and everything so i

964
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,519
mean why not use what you maybe learned

965
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,000
from that

966
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,480
and explore other avenues especially if

967
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,880
it's ufos in consciousness you know

968
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,799
like yeah maybe there's a connection

969
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,640
yeah yeah it's like they're

970
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,519
yeah well all of those or consciousness

971
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,399
has been

972
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,559
you know kind of in the public view for

973
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,600
a while in

974
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:10,079
in both the fields of ufos you know

975
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:11,200
standalone or

976
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,280
ndes and and then even skinwalker ranch

977
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,760
um and so it's to me it's just kind of a

978
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,159
natural progression right paranormal

979
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,639
yeah ufos near-death experiences all

980
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,079
those things there's

981
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,320
there's some you get a sense that

982
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,320
there's some kind of connectivity

983
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,560
to them and and i know that you know

984
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,000
people are thinking that that's

985
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,359
consciousness so

986
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,919
um to me it's it's um you know kind of

987
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,000
the natural progression where things are

988
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,359
are going um in multiple fields and it's

989
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,679
a big topic of study

990
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,320
and even if you even consider maybe even

991
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,599
quantum

992
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,679
physics and mechanics and stuff there's

993
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,720
some

994
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,040
weirdness there in relationship that

995
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,960
that you know is going down that

996
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,480
consciousness path so

997
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:59,280
i guess really kind of a new expanding

998
00:35:03,750 --> 00:34:59,920
kind of

999
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,760
uh you know discipline

1000
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,520
yeah absolutely i think it's very much

1001
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
linked to you know he discusses his time

1002
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,320
on skinwalker ranch and and

1003
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,640
you know ultimately why he's sold the

1004
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,079
ranch and

1005
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:17,119
and i believe used the phrase that that

1006
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,400
he got

1007
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:21,119
bored and tired of not having the right

1008
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,400
answers

1009
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:25,599
you know sort of appear to him and

1010
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:30,160
i think that is also why he tends to on

1011
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:30,800
these

1012
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,079
big questions and jason and i

1013
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:37,680
for sure 100 percent know that sometimes

1014
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:45,510
philadelphia ufo event

1015
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:49,200
um weekend where a bunch of ufo

1016
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,079
researchers

1017
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,040
were privately flown out to this whole

1018
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,920
weekend extravaganza

1019
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,680
and we were asked to fill out essay

1020
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,359
questions on what we believed

1021
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:02,160
all these answers to some very important

1022
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,960
ufo

1023
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,920
and and earth questions are and sort of

1024
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,599
trying to get the answers

1025
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,880
from a hive uh sort of an intelligence

1026
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,520
hive

1027
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,400
and offering large sums of money or or

1028
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,520
sort of other

1029
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,839
perks to try to get people to reveal

1030
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,880
what they know

1031
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,640
and if you have a ton of money and

1032
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,480
you're someone who

1033
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:25,520
you know i can't wait around for 20

1034
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,160
years

1035
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,920
to find the answer to this question so

1036
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:29,599
i'm going to make this really appealing

1037
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,320
to

1038
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,320
million dollars if

1039
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,560
somebody if people can give me the

1040
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,760
answers i'm seeking

1041
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:40,240
and if not then i'm maybe going to get

1042
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,280
sidetracked and go

1043
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:43,440
into a different field of study see if i

1044
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,320
can answer that

1045
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,760
sort of question no i i love i love rich

1046
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,040
people who do this

1047
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
right we talk about rich people like

1048
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,480
like elon musk all the time

1049
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,640
who you know got to applaud these these

1050
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,760
rich people who

1051
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,800
take their money and use it to try to

1052
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:02,000
answer deep questions or to better

1053
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,800
humanity

1054
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,720
or things like that rather than just

1055
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,320
buying another yacht

1056
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,560
um you know so i love that robert

1057
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,000
bigelow spends his money

1058
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,760
he certainly has spent an absolute

1059
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:13,599
fortune on

1060
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,880
these paranormal topics and

1061
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,400
although i find this conscious

1062
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,320
consciousness stuff interesting

1063
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,520
it's it's bigelow's lifelong you know

1064
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:24,960
decades-long

1065
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,720
uh journey into the paranormal

1066
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,920
into ufos all of this stuff that i would

1067
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,920
just

1068
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,800
die being able to have a conversation

1069
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,440
open

1070
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,359
off the record conversation with him

1071
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,880
about all of this stuff the things that

1072
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
he's learned the things that he's been

1073
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,200
involved in

1074
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,520
and i hope and i don't think this is in

1075
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,640
his wheelhouse or

1076
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,800
or even something he's thinking about

1077
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:50,880
but i would love to read

1078
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,920
a robert bigelow book about his journey

1079
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:56,160
through the exploration of the weird

1080
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,359
because

1081
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,440
i think he's got a story like nobody

1082
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:00,880
else

1083
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:04,400
i don't think a lot of people realize

1084
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:08,640
just how involved he has been in

1085
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,160
ufos for so many decades i mean

1086
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,880
he was actively involved with stanton

1087
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:15,520
friedman

1088
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,640
in the early roswell research you know

1089
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,680
he's had his hand

1090
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,760
probably in most of the cases that

1091
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,280
people know about

1092
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,839
uh you know he certainly did a big part

1093
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,640
of the investigation into

1094
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,440
the calaras incident in 79 or whatever

1095
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,560
that was

1096
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,800
um he's just he's had his hand in a

1097
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,400
little bit of everything

1098
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,079
that we're familiar with in the ufo

1099
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,920
community and

1100
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,839
you know some might step back and and

1101
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:43,599
get conspiratorial and wonder why that

1102
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,400
is but

1103
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,400
on the other hand he's the guy who's got

1104
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,599
the means and the interest

1105
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,440
this is his passion this is his interest

1106
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,599
and he has been able to

1107
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,240
insert himself and be involved and try

1108
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,480
to find answers for so many years

1109
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,040
i would just love to read a book sort of

1110
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,000
walking through this

1111
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,400
crazy life that he's had exploring the

1112
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,440
strange

1113
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,720
i think it'd be really interesting to

1114
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,200
have a chapter i know he touches

1115
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,599
uh on this a little bit in the interview

1116
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,119
but we've also met and

1117
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,400
spoken with a lot of people

1118
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:17,920
on our skinwalker debrief podcast

1119
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,280
and a lot of the information that

1120
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,800
bigelow mentions the hitchhiker

1121
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,720
phenomenon and

1122
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,680
that things with around people he knew

1123
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,640
um

1124
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,240
started happening after leaving

1125
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,160
skinwalker ranch uh

1126
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,680
anomalous phenomenon and uh

1127
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,000
a lot of people researchers that were

1128
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,240
there and he said he was more scared for

1129
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,960
for sort of the fear people had after

1130
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,720
leaving and the experiences that they

1131
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,520
were having

1132
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,920
and i can tell you that a lot of the

1133
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,880
stories

1134
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,720
regarding hitchcock the hitchhiker

1135
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,880
phenomenon from skinwalker ranch

1136
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,880
people didn't want to talk about live on

1137
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,240
the air so

1138
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,440
we had a lot of that information shared

1139
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,079
off the recording but it's very

1140
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,000
interesting people are very

1141
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,079
private about these hitchhiker

1142
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,440
experiences they've had

1143
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,560
post skinwalker ranch and it's happened

1144
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,319
to so many people that i think it'd be

1145
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,800
really interesting to

1146
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,359
to dive into that further and i think

1147
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:18,960
that

1148
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,079
whole consciousness thing as well

1149
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,000
it's kind of crazy what comes around

1150
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,760
goes around in a weird circle i had to

1151
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,480
um

1152
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,960
applaud uh george knapp on these

1153
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,680
interviews

1154
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,839
it was clear that bigelow probably

1155
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,040
approved these

1156
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:35,440
because it was going to promote his new

1157
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,319
study and

1158
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,000
organization and everything because i

1159
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,440
kept tying back to that

1160
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,520
um but at the same time i think george

1161
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,480
did a good job of

1162
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,319
really trying to cover everything up

1163
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:46,319
until then you know and getting some

1164
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,040
stuff and i

1165
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,760
the skinwalker mini interview was i

1166
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,359
think the most interesting to me

1167
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
to be honest like the hitchhiker

1168
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,040
phenomenon maureen you mentioned

1169
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,240
and also that like skinwalker ranch was

1170
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,720
just a tiny portion of the phenomenon

1171
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,640
i mean that that kind of blew my mind he

1172
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,319
was saying like oh no

1173
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,720
every ranch in that basin and everything

1174
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,480
was experiencing stuff yeah

1175
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,040
local law enforcement and this so like

1176
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,440
this this one skinwalker ranch is only a

1177
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,800
small portion of it

1178
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,400
and you don't really hear about that

1179
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,000
that often when it comes to

1180
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,839
it because we want to put it all on

1181
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,839
skinwalker ranch because it's

1182
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,400
such a sound bite but um yeah there's a

1183
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,680
lot of confusing reports

1184
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,359
yeah there's conflicting reports about

1185
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,440
that and some people say that

1186
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,760
um a lot of the neighbors and who knows

1187
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,440
if they're then just trying to be more

1188
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,480
private but

1189
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,240
um there's people that say no we've

1190
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:40,000
never seen anything strange around this

1191
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,200
area and then you have

1192
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,040
the reports that say like no there's a

1193
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:45,359
ton of activity happening and everyone's

1194
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:46,000
seen stuff

1195
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,240
so it's it's kind of hard to to know

1196
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,000
which is which and yeah i think that

1197
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,720
area in general it's not like it's

1198
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,359
a fenced-off piece of property only that

1199
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:00,160
is having this experience it has to be

1200
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,319
regional in that area so um

1201
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,920
but yeah who knows i think there's a lot

1202
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,520
of mystery still behind it even though

1203
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:09,280
there's been a lot of exploration into

1204
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,160
it as well

1205
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,319
yeah you mentioned skinwalker ranch the

1206
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,440
the show

1207
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:16,880
um and the second season of that

1208
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,480
is coming soon but there i

1209
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,760
i suspect there are going to be quite a

1210
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,560
lot of

1211
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,760
ufo tv programs this year um there

1212
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,800
always are

1213
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,440
but i think this year is going to also

1214
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,440
be another ufo heavy year

1215
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:36,480
in terms of programming um

1216
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,480
and you know this growth of

1217
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,760
every production company every network

1218
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,119
wanting to have their own digital

1219
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,480
network it it just won't stop so

1220
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,240
you know we're getting new ones it seems

1221
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,520
like every week

1222
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,760
and discovery plus is one that just

1223
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,119
recently rolled out

1224
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,960
and we've got a new show on discovery

1225
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:58,960
plus called ufo witness

1226
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,079
and that's with ben hansen and former

1227
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,920
project blue book investigator jenny

1228
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,960
ziedman

1229
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,119
and this show i mean although it just

1230
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,800
started this month it's already halfway

1231
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,920
over i think four

1232
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,720
four episodes have already already aired

1233
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,160
but at the digital platform

1234
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,000
so you know that kind of means different

1235
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,839
things but have any of you guys checked

1236
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,520
out ufo witness yet

1237
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,839
uh yeah i mean i know shane and i have

1238
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,920
seen a few of the screeners and whatnot

1239
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,720
um

1240
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:27,440
i i've seen the first six episodes so

1241
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,000
far

1242
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,680
um and it's it's interesting you know

1243
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,359
like you mentioned with um

1244
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:35,839
jimmy ziedman it's so cool to see a

1245
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,760
former blue book investigator still

1246
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,880
alive

1247
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,440
talking about like these files that

1248
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,440
haven't really seen the light of day in

1249
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:46,480
decades so um i i think it's really cool

1250
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,359
they got um

1251
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,200
ben to do the show he's the perfect

1252
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,520
person for a show like this to dig into

1253
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,640
old files

1254
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,560
and see how they can connect to modern

1255
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,280
day ufo cases and phenomenon

1256
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,680
and um and they also got mark o'connell

1257
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,200
the guy who wrote the

1258
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,520
the biography on jl and heinek i mean

1259
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,720
who knows

1260
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,359
heineken those files better than mark so

1261
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,280
um it's pretty cool to see ben kind of

1262
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,800
go to these two

1263
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,520
experts you know and um get the lay of

1264
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,440
the land and then go investigate it

1265
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:18,400
himself um so yeah i mean the show is

1266
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,119
interesting

1267
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,520
um i i'm gonna be talking to ben next

1268
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,000
week about it actually but um

1269
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,680
we are the biggest critics when these

1270
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,560
shows come out and i will say there

1271
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:31,040
there's some questionable stuff and

1272
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,319
people in the show

1273
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,599
um richard dodie being one of them uh

1274
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,720
lauren eisenhower being another one two

1275
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,640
very controversial people in the ufo

1276
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:42,720
field so to see them in the show

1277
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,480
kind of um gave me some pause so i'm i'm

1278
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:48,560
interested to talk to ben about that

1279
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,839
and what he thinks about some of these

1280
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,640
areas they explored in the show but um

1281
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,680
it's cool it's it's it's a ufo show

1282
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,079
that's really all i can say it's a show

1283
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,800
about ufos

1284
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,880
yep what do you think i agree it was

1285
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,000
fine yeah

1286
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,720
it was good and um i i thought that was

1287
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,319
really great to have

1288
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,920
um uh jenny siedman in that

1289
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:14,480
and and just that that connection of

1290
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,520
blue book and

1291
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:18,240
and actually her her perspective and you

1292
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,040
could tell her

1293
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,680
attitude about these cases and some of

1294
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,200
the information in there

1295
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:25,839
and it it wasn't what i expected from a

1296
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,319
blue

1297
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,359
book investigator she she was fairly

1298
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,760
pro on on on these cases that they had

1299
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,880
selected so

1300
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,240
i thought that was kind of interesting

1301
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,560
of course have a mark there as well

1302
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,680
and um you know even some of the

1303
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,880
other stuff that they showed

1304
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,800
they're just some little different looks

1305
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,400
at the cases that you know

1306
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,760
just from a slightly different

1307
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:49,359
perspective i thought that was different

1308
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,760
but

1309
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,040
i mean it's worth the watch and

1310
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,800
you know i'm very supportive of ben and

1311
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,560
he does a great job

1312
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,640
and it has that kind of what looks like

1313
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,119
a popular format now for these ufo shows

1314
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,119
where you have an investigator that

1315
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,599
you know goes from uh you know i don't

1316
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,200
know from their bunker or their

1317
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,200
their office type thing and then they go

1318
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,280
out you know to different locations and

1319
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,119
different people and talk to them and

1320
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,040
i mean it's it's good it's you know it's

1321
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,560
visually good and

1322
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:19,200
and uh but yeah there were uh you know i

1323
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,480
think you guys know how

1324
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,720
big a fan i am of richard dodie so that

1325
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:24,720
look that's kind of a

1326
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,720
bummer but but anyway you know i know uh

1327
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,400
you know there's production companies

1328
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,720
that have a say-so and others so

1329
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,720
yeah you can't completely control that

1330
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,240
whole whole thing but

1331
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
yeah i recommend it's worth watching and

1332
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,920
like you said jason man there's

1333
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,079
there's just gonna be a whole spate of

1334
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,240
new ufo shows coming on

1335
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,680
in and i i vo i'm always of the mind

1336
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:48,400
that look

1337
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:52,160
i don't care a ufo show is a good thing

1338
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,720
because

1339
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,800
it still advertises it gets it in the

1340
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,560
public consciousness and

1341
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:58,480
and you know like with anything you have

1342
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,680
to wade through

1343
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,520
some of the bs you know but there's

1344
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,960
still some gems in there and good

1345
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,960
information so

1346
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,400
i think it's another you know there's

1347
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,319
another new show from history

1348
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,359
called the proof is out there and

1349
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,280
i've only caught i think i only cut a

1350
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,200
couple episodes of that so far

1351
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:18,079
but i like that show you know i i love

1352
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,560
it

1353
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:20,319
i don't know why who's the lead in that

1354
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,069
he's a journal journalist oh yeah he's a

1355
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,200
journalist great not

1356
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,440
not a not a ufo guy at all as far as i

1357
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,319
can tell

1358
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,800
um which is kind of a cool aspect to it

1359
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,640
because you get this perspective of

1360
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,160
you know fairly objective yeah

1361
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,680
so how do you bring that one up jason

1362
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,440
yeah i really like it

1363
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,680
um and you know i mean they've debunked

1364
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,599
so much which i think is

1365
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,079
unlike most of these shows you know

1366
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,440
willing to go there and be like

1367
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,280
nah that's fake and they have some

1368
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,440
really good people on there

1369
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,280
i mean they've they've got mark on there

1370
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:00,400
and i'm so happy about that mark antonio

1371
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,280
from mufon the chief photo and video guy

1372
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,480
from mufon

1373
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,960
um by the way shane aren't you number

1374
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:08,720
two next to next to mark

1375
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,400
in that department oh no oh no

1376
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,960
no i'm i'm just one of many but i've one

1377
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,400
of them i've worked with mark

1378
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:19,599
and yeah yeah and he he's he's he is

1379
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,240
awesome

1380
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,400
and um you know he's got a new telescope

1381
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:24,319
he's sitting up here in arizona

1382
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:27,839
yeah and so that's been fun and and uh

1383
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:30,800
but yeah yeah yeah good but i i i do

1384
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,599
like that

1385
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,960
because you know

1386
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:37,599
we you know and you and me especially

1387
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,400
maureen

1388
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,160
you know we spent years and years and

1389
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,400
years our full-time job

1390
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,680
analyzing photo and video and so

1391
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:48,160
this type of show where they show a

1392
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,040
photo or

1393
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,119
show a video they show footage of

1394
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,480
something paranormal

1395
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,720
and then try to analyze it and determine

1396
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:55,920
if it's legit

1397
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:59,200
or you know signs of a hoax or whatever

1398
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,400
you know that's just something that we

1399
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,480
did as part of our regular job so when i

1400
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,400
watch these videos it's it's super fun

1401
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:06,400
to me i love that process going through

1402
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,960
and like

1403
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,559
trying to analyze something trying to

1404
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,040
come up with with logical explanations

1405
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:13,839
um looking at the the problems with it

1406
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,240
like

1407
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,559
in how the the people recording the

1408
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,800
videos are acting what's going on in the

1409
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,760
scene

1410
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,359
and they they go through some of that on

1411
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,440
the show and it's it's so fun to see

1412
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,359
um you know and with the show like this

1413
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,440
i i mean i i spend more time talking to

1414
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,760
the tv than i do with most shows because

1415
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,680
i'm shouting out my answer and yelling

1416
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,760
at them to say something else why aren't

1417
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,599
you looking at this aspect of it

1418
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,359
and then mark comes in and brings up the

1419
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,119
points that i was yelling at the tv

1420
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,119
but it's a fun process to go through i

1421
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,119
think they do a pretty good job

1422
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,960
damn it you i mean this is my problem

1423
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,720
for you guys do you know how much money

1424
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,480
i'm spending on streaming services

1425
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,720
already

1426
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:53,359
it's a lot it's a lot and and then you

1427
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,760
know

1428
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,440
now we have discovery plus and all these

1429
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,800
networks that keep launching

1430
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,800
their owns and and maybe it's only six

1431
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:00,800
or seven bucks a month

1432
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,400
but add that on to like 12 other 15

1433
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,680
a month yeah subscriptions like i might

1434
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,200
as well have like a

1435
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,319
satellite a ping satellite price exactly

1436
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,839
with a lot of these shows you know even

1437
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,920
though i really want to see them i don't

1438
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,920
sign up at the beginning to see them i

1439
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,079
wait till all the episodes are out

1440
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,000
so i can send it to a free trial and

1441
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,680
then binge it

1442
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,520
i already signed up for the free trial

1443
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:27,440
on discovery plus and then i forgot to

1444
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,000
watch

1445
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
anything on it so yeah kind of blew it

1446
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,880
up i've wasted a few of those too

1447
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:35,200
yeah yeah so another another history

1448
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,319
well that's the other thing you

1449
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,800
guys caught this yeah exactly that's

1450
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,240
right shane um

1451
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,160
i don't know if you guys caught this um

1452
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,400
this isn't really that new anymore

1453
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,680
but the lawrence fishburne uh hosted

1454
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,280
show on history called history's

1455
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,640
greatest mysteries

1456
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:53,520
they did that three-part roswell special

1457
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,000
and

1458
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,559
yeah you know i i saw you know a fair

1459
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,359
amount of

1460
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,880
of kind of poo point this show because

1461
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,119
you know that's that's the hip thing to

1462
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,280
do with anything roswell you know who

1463
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,520
cares about roswell roswell's old

1464
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,119
been there done that let's move on why

1465
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:10,720
are we talking about roswell

1466
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,000
however i gave this show a chance and

1467
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,160
it was really cool because it focused

1468
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:17,440
specifically

1469
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,839
on the marcel family and you know this

1470
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,240
introduction of

1471
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,280
a diary a journal of sorts

1472
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,480
that jesse marcel senior kept with it

1473
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,359
with his uh

1474
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,880
you know important possessions and

1475
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,400
passed on to his family

1476
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,400
um and that's just a small part of what

1477
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:36,240
this this special does is three-part

1478
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,200
special

1479
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:40,079
it really does a great job going through

1480
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:40,480
and

1481
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,319
members of the extended marcel family

1482
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,720
and other members of the extended family

1483
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:51,040
of people who jessie marcel worked

1484
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:52,640
closely with and could potentially be

1485
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:53,119
the

1486
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,200
in his possession

1487
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,800
but it goes through a lot of interesting

1488
00:52:01,109 --> 00:52:00,640
angles that haven't been gone down

1489
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,119
before

1490
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,280
with the roswell case and just getting

1491
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,960
to see those

1492
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,920
in-person uh conversations with these

1493
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,200
family members

1494
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:11,040
it's really fascinating especially if

1495
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,319
you're familiar at all with

1496
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,520
with the marcel story and how crucial

1497
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,960
of a part that plays in the whole

1498
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,200
roswell story it's

1499
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,400
it's really cool i thought they did a

1500
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,400
really good job with it

1501
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,240
yeah i thought some of the science that

1502
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:26,800
they applied to it was awesome

1503
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:30,640
yes yeah they had the

1504
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,559
handwriting analysts they had uh the the

1505
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,000
cipher decor coder they you know

1506
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,200
um they they really just brought in

1507
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,280
really interesting stuff you know again

1508
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,520
i think the guy that lead in it is a you

1509
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,760
know investigative journalist and

1510
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,319
you know just had all these different

1511
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,920
people you've not seen before

1512
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,839
and processes you haven't really seen

1513
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,040
much of uh

1514
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:56,800
in all of these programs so i thought

1515
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,349
it was by far the most comprehensive i

1516
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:07,440
think overview of roswell to date

1517
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,880
um and yeah i interviewed ben uh

1518
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,720
a couple weeks before the show came out

1519
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,240
and i didn't know what to make of the

1520
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,920
guy like former cia

1521
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,839
op and everything like what's your

1522
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,400
agenda with all this but um

1523
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:23,200
once he came on with um denise marcel

1524
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,920
and

1525
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:26,559
really dug into the case like i was i

1526
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,960
was

1527
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,440
really impressed again like i've been

1528
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:31,520
there done that like roswell's been done

1529
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,160
to death

1530
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,200
and there's like i i try to

1531
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:37,760
not look at roswell as much as possible

1532
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,319
but

1533
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,000
this three-part series was i i would

1534
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,559
i would argue it is probably the best

1535
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,160
overview of roswell

1536
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:49,040
that's been made probably like to date

1537
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,440
so

1538
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,520
um maybe that's i'm maybe i'm saying a

1539
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,640
lot but i

1540
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,800
highly recommend that free partner

1541
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,480
they're like an hour long each

1542
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,240
or something too what is the name of

1543
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,920
this show i haven't seen it

1544
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,319
it's called history's greatest mysteries

1545
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,160
is the name of the show history's

1546
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,920
greatest mysteries hosted by lawrence

1547
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:06,720
fishburne

1548
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,319
it's on history and it's like episode

1549
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:12,240
five six and seven i want to say i'm not

1550
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,640
sure

1551
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,839
yeah something like that damn i got a

1552
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,599
lot of stuff to catch up on

1553
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:20,000
i think those are long term it's hard to

1554
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:21,040
keep up with it

1555
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,319
i think they're an hour and a half each

1556
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,400
or something like that it is quite

1557
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:27,200
a little mini series there uh but they

1558
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,599
do

1559
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:30,720
of data and speaking about like

1560
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,680
government agencies and sharing ufo data

1561
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,680
i wish some of these these tv shows

1562
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,040
would do that and that's never going to

1563
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,040
happen i mean this is all proprietary

1564
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,720
they want that stuff locked down so they

1565
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,160
can make money off of it

1566
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:44,400
but talking about this specific show i

1567
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,280
mean think about

1568
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,200
all the data gathering they did the

1569
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,960
ground penetrating radar

1570
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,200
all of that [\h__\h] they did to like map

1571
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:53,200
the debris field

1572
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,720
and yeah determine you know hard and

1573
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,079
soft areas and

1574
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,680
where things were returning from the

1575
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,280
surface to determine if something was

1576
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,240
buried there

1577
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,760
you know they mentioned that possibly

1578
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,400
something neoprene was buried in a spot

1579
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:08,240
go out and dig that [\h__\h] up i mean

1580
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,440
there's just so much

1581
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,280
there with the information that they

1582
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,720
gathered and probably spent a lot of

1583
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,160
money gathering it

1584
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,839
would be great and i know other shows

1585
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,520
have done similar things you know doing

1586
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,119
these aerial surveys and

1587
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,760
just all of this comparative data being

1588
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,200
able to share that

1589
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,640
that would be amazing for subsequent

1590
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,640
uh investigations to go out build on

1591
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,880
that data and take it further

1592
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,599
i think as long as it's like they're you

1593
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:35,280
know the production company

1594
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:39,440
is finding and using um unbiased

1595
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,040
uh credible labs and and services for

1596
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,000
these surveys

1597
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,119
and like you know a lot of times we know

1598
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,480
production companies

1599
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
take short corners on that stuff so

1600
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
it may be either they're showing the

1601
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:55,520
data that looks really interesting but

1602
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:55,920
yeah

1603
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:58,559
they're pushing an aspect of it that is

1604
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,280
not as big

1605
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:01,280
as they're making it out to seem and we

1606
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,720
know that happens a lot

1607
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,760
and especially with uh doing

1608
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,880
the sort of as they say boots on the

1609
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,280
ground investigation of different sites

1610
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,559
and so yeah that'd be great if they

1611
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:16,000
would present it but i can tell you

1612
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,440
there's probably reasons they

1613
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,960
they don't want to right and it's

1614
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,559
because of those short corners

1615
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,000
yep and you got to make it look good for

1616
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,000
tv but i wish you know

1617
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,839
for research sake they could present

1618
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,119
that stuff on the show

1619
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,640
especially with testing of like metal

1620
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,480
and things like that say what testing

1621
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,079
specifically was done

1622
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,079
or what limitations they had when trying

1623
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,520
to do that and what

1624
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,280
other things would be needed to get any

1625
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:39,200
more data out of

1626
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,000
that specific sample you know mourinho

1627
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:46,240
enjoy this they they do go visit chuck

1628
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,119
wade

1629
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:50,319
in this mini series and chuck pulls out

1630
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,040
his

1631
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,359
you know big collection of interesting

1632
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:54,799
looking materials

1633
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,880
and he lets uh ben take some samples

1634
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,720
and they say that they tested him but

1635
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,839
you know couldn't really determine

1636
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,440
anything

1637
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,760
that's nice but i want more information

1638
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:07,040
right when they say things like that

1639
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,640
they just like brush over that

1640
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,559
or what testing was done what

1641
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:12,160
specifically was determined with the

1642
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,119
test you did

1643
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,559
but that's just kind of like brushed to

1644
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,319
the side is a big nothing

1645
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,079
but i did learn something and i'm

1646
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,599
embarrassed to say this because it means

1647
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,960
i didn't pay attention

1648
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,319
to the 100 or 200 times

1649
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,960
chuck was in our offices all those years

1650
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:27,760
ago

1651
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,119
but his family is actually

1652
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,680
the ones who owned the bar wade's bar in

1653
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,799
corona

1654
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:37,200
where mac brazil brought the material

1655
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,839
first

1656
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,520
on july 4th when he was showing it off

1657
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,960
to people and trying to get

1658
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,960
their take on what to do with it so

1659
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,160
wade's bar it was

1660
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,359
his dad's bar i didn't know that that's

1661
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:48,720
awesome

1662
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,240
so for people listening um chuck wade

1663
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,280
lives in corona new mexico and uh

1664
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,480
has a whole collection of of different

1665
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:01,119
materials he has acquired from

1666
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,640
uh the crash site at corona uh

1667
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,000
and he brings them with him everywhere

1668
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,400
um you know we've met him many times

1669
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,079
over the years

1670
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,319
both both coming into our office to show

1671
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
us these materials as well as at the

1672
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:18,240
international ufo congress that we ran

1673
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,960
for

1674
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:21,680
uh what upwards of almost eight nine

1675
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,160
years

1676
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,190
and so we've seen all these materials

1677
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,119
many times

1678
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:31,119
when you're in an environment like that

1679
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:32,240
being approached

1680
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,319
with uh with those kind of materials

1681
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:38,079
sometimes you're not

1682
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,400
capable of analyzing on the spot and or

1683
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,200
uh sort of understanding if they're

1684
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,160
important or not

1685
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,160
when you have people presenting them

1686
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,160
very frantically sometimes

1687
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,559
um so it's interesting i'm glad that

1688
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,240
that a show has

1689
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,960
has gone out and ben was able to to talk

1690
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,520
with chuck

1691
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,280
i know ben's met him many times at the

1692
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,960
congress as well

1693
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,520
so that's i haven't heard that name in a

1694
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,880
long time

1695
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,119
i hadn't either i you know i hadn't seen

1696
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,559
anything about chuck for the longest

1697
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,520
time but

1698
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:11,040
there he was on the show and i was like

1699
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,079
huh i wonder if they're going to do

1700
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:13,680
something with chuck's medals and they

1701
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:14,160
did

1702
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,040
yeah um to add on to the that

1703
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,720
whole aspect of like production

1704
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,079
companies and like

1705
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,400
what they have in their possession that

1706
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,000
ufo researchers

1707
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,200
would kill for i mean um like i

1708
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,680
i wrestled for almost a year in getting

1709
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,960
all of the

1710
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:37,839
uh the data from the materials i had

1711
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,400
tested

1712
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:41,760
of frank kimbler's um which is

1713
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,880
amazing and thank god frank had more of

1714
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,000
these materials

1715
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,000
to get tested afterwards because i

1716
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,599
fought for like a year to get

1717
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:52,240
all of the results um but on a separate

1718
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:52,640
note

1719
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,319
um i recently spoke to the guy who

1720
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,480
produced the unidentified show

1721
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:01,520
and you know he's he said specifically

1722
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,319
like

1723
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,480
hundreds of military witnesses came to

1724
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,839
them with stories

1725
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,760
for unidentified and they could only put

1726
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:09,680
on like two or three

1727
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,799
people every episode so there's so my

1728
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,520
my obvious question is well what about

1729
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,720
all those reports

1730
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,040
like of military witnesses seeing ufos

1731
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,400
where do those go

1732
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,839
and he's like that's a really good

1733
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,640
question like you have no idea how much

1734
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,319
we would kill for all of those

1735
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,720
unfortunately unfortunately reality i

1736
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,760
think is that

1737
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,440
with these i mean certainly on a

1738
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,799
production company level

1739
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,799
you know when they do anything pretty

1740
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,839
sure they sign

1741
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,240
the rights over absolutely everything to

1742
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,720
the network whatever network is attached

1743
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:43,200
but the network you know we had the same

1744
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,079
problem with

1745
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,280
with the government too and ufo files um

1746
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:49,680
but you know even even more dramatically

1747
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,480
so

1748
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,520
where network executives change like

1749
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,680
all the time like more frequently than i

1750
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:57,359
change my my sheets and i change my

1751
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,400
sheets all the time

1752
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:01,599
but you know their their turnover is

1753
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,160
huge

1754
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,839
you have people with with different

1755
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,839
priorities different uh feelings on

1756
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:06,960
different projects

1757
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,839
but they also i don't think are set up

1758
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,640
to be

1759
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:14,079
this warehouse for just terabytes and

1760
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:15,359
terabytes of

1761
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,520
footage for each show that they they buy

1762
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:21,839
and then don't use right i think they

1763
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:22,720
have

1764
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,079
limited resources so when a show's done

1765
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:28,480
a lot of that's probably getting dumped

1766
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,200
which

1767
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,200
is a tremendous shame because like you

1768
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,640
said with that you know when you have

1769
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,480
interviews when you have

1770
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,319
science that's done this research where

1771
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,160
you hire these companies to come out do

1772
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,839
ground penetrating radar and

1773
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,520
create all sorts of maps and things of

1774
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,599
terrain i

1775
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:46,079
i'm guessing unfortunately a lot of this

1776
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:46,640
stuff

1777
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:49,599
is just getting deleted when the project

1778
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:57,190
it's in the gmail inboxes of casting

1779
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:01,280
producers so you'll notice right that

1780
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,400
she's right i am yeah

1781
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,359
so so you'll notice um anybody that's

1782
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:06,720
ever been contacted

1783
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,000
by a potential tv show

1784
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,319
the email you're going to get is from a

1785
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,240
personal email usually

1786
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,520
sometimes the production companies uh

1787
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,440
legit email because so many of these

1788
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,280
these people that are doing the casting

1789
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,880
and the research for these shows story

1790
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:23,680
producers

1791
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,720
are contract workers so generally

1792
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:28,240
they'll reach out on their personal

1793
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,599
emails unless they are

1794
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,079
a full-time employee of the production

1795
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,319
company um and

1796
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,559
they're asking for material to be sent

1797
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,240
to their personal

1798
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,799
emails unless there's like a form or

1799
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:42,240
something so

1800
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,280
yeah a lot of these conversations are

1801
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,720
in freelancers personal

1802
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,680
gmail accounts or right god forbid

1803
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,280
somebody had a hotmail address i don't

1804
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,200
think i'd answer it

1805
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,240
i still have one but uh yeah but

1806
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,799
well to to play off of that maureen um

1807
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,760
to kind of wrap

1808
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,400
that part up um i got in touch with the

1809
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,760
casting person

1810
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,760
and i'm gonna have a meeting with them

1811
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:08,880
about

1812
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,599
the protocol like what happens to this

1813
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,119
these are

1814
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,039
military witness reports that we would

1815
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,200
kill to have in the ufo field

1816
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,599
um so hopefully something will come of

1817
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,760
it but like you said my biggest fear

1818
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,839
is that it's just delete delete delete

1819
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,000
delete and we'll never hear about it

1820
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,559
again so um i'll keep you guys posted

1821
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,480
but maybe we'll have some new

1822
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,480
military cases to look at in the near

1823
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,480
future i feel like those are going to be

1824
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:36,079
sat on those particular cases

1825
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,359
are going to be sat on because they're

1826
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,280
going to think we could use these in the

1827
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,520
future um this is a very hot topic right

1828
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,640
now

1829
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:45,119
it is and that was my biggest fear yeah

1830
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,400
and we'll have to see what

1831
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,160
what happens with history going forward

1832
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:50,319
right because i think i think right now

1833
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:50,720
their

1834
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,079
you know is kind of questionable uh

1835
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:02,079
with the recent passing of kevin burns

1836
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,680
you know he was their their driving

1837
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:05,119
force between or

1838
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,240
behind all the ufo content he's no

1839
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,920
longer there so

1840
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,359
you know we'll have to wait and see what

1841
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,599
happens but as of right now history is

1842
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,200
still putting out ufo content

1843
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,839
and they like to repurpose their content

1844
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,280
like every network likes to

1845
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,280
so you know some of that stuff that was

1846
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:23,280
created for unidentified

1847
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,799
you know gets repurposed and used on

1848
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,319
ancient aliens um

1849
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,640
it's kind of go back and forth and and

1850
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,240
uh you know they have that very

1851
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,240
incestuous relationship with with all

1852
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,240
the the products that they own

1853
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,920
they will just repurpose material and

1854
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:37,760
use that um i can't tell you yeah jason

1855
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:38,640
different shows

1856
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:41,920
you've been in you've been on yeah

1857
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,559
yeah yeah they just repackage it in a

1858
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,920
different way and use it on a different

1859
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,200
show so

1860
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,960
at least that means they still have the

1861
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,880
content right and i'm hoping that other

1862
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,160
networks do too

1863
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:55,440
because it would it's just it's so much

1864
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,480
content

1865
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,720
and they've spent the money to acquire

1866
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:00,319
it you know whether it's

1867
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:03,839
testimony whether it's uh you know talk

1868
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,359
speaking to an expert about something to

1869
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,680
get their thoughts on a particular issue

1870
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:09,760
or whether it's you know witness

1871
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,240
testimony or photos or videos or

1872
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,799
scientific testing of something that's

1873
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,480
all stuff they spent time and money

1874
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:19,280
to create that all has value for us as

1875
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,240
researchers

1876
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,480
and i just cry thinking that a lot of

1877
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:24,240
that stuff over the years just gets

1878
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,160
dumped well on on a more fun topic

1879
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,400
uh you know going fictional there are

1880
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,000
certainly going to be lots of

1881
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,240
alien related shows this year as there

1882
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:36,720
always are and one of those is on sci-fi

1883
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:40,000
called resident alien about an alien who

1884
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,039
crashes to earth

1885
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,960
hides out in a remote colorado mountain

1886
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,400
town have

1887
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,119
any of you guys check this show out no i

1888
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:49,200
didn't even know it was out yet i know

1889
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:52,160
alejandro rojas just interviewed the

1890
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,359
cast i think

1891
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,760
over at den of geeks so um that should

1892
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,039
be yeah they were doing like

1893
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:59,200
i think like they did for your your cw

1894
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,160
show um

1895
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,319
you know they they get into like doing

1896
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,559
like ufo trivia and stuff like that so i

1897
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,680
think they were doing that

1898
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:07,440
some like you know interesting stuff

1899
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,200
like that which i love i love when they

1900
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,760
do the marketing pushes and and bring

1901
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,920
ufo lore and and you know things like

1902
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,119
that into it

1903
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,440
because it all goes along that public

1904
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:19,359
education route uh you know people have

1905
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,720
this casual interest and they're looking

1906
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,599
at it from this

1907
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,839
fictional standpoint this fun standpoint

1908
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,839
but they're using real information

1909
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,920
and kind of introducing the general

1910
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,200
public to that

1911
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:32,559
when we did our education press tour for

1912
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,680
that roswell new mexico show on the cw

1913
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,599
i showed up and i like said something

1914
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:40,000
like okay so back in 1947

1915
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,680
and i can't tell you how many tv

1916
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:43,520
executives came up to me or like

1917
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,000
whoa it happened in 1947 i'm like you

1918
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,599
just made a show called roswell new

1919
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:49,039
mexico you didn't even know the event

1920
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:50,400
happened in 1947.

1921
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,440
yeah so yeah there is a need for the wow

1922
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:56,319
education for sure it's kind of sad how

1923
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,760
ignorant they actually are

1924
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,319
yeah things they're putting out there so

1925
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:03,119
yeah let's school them as much as we can

1926
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,079
i just realized how how crazy the number

1927
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:08,880
47 has become for me in my life

1928
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:13,599
um all those ufo events happened in 1947

1929
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,960
uh roswell and kenneth arnold's

1930
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,440
mount rainier sighting i work for a

1931
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,839
company with 47 in the title

1932
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,079
i live at an apartment that includes the

1933
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:26,400
number 47

1934
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:30,799
the building not my apartment number um

1935
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,520
and so many other things it's just if

1936
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,160
we're on the 47th degree parallel here

1937
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:39,440
in seattle uh it's always 47 degrees

1938
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,150
well there's a different there's a

1939
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:49,760
different bookshelf with all the goodies

1940
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:50,480
on it

1941
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,990
the fun books the ufo books but um

1942
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,079
[Music]

1943
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,799
yeah anyways this this show has the

1944
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,400
premise that it sounds like

1945
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,359
a lot of these fictional ufo shows have

1946
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:03,200
that are meant to be on a more casual

1947
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,680
basis

1948
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,280
is this supposed to be a comedy or is

1949
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,359
this it yes it is right

1950
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,839
yeah what was the the one that came out

1951
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:12,240
a year or two ago is it ufo people what

1952
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,119
was it called

1953
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,520
uh ryan i know you were a big fan of it

1954
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,199
people of earth

1955
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,679
people so that was essentially the same

1956
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:20,400
thing it was an

1957
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:23,440
alien family trying to hide in a suburbs

1958
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,480
right

1959
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,600
there were yeah so like it was about

1960
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:30,080
abductees like a support group of oh

1961
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,719
that's right

1962
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,199
um okay yeah what am i thinking yeah

1963
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,440
there were aliens everywhere

1964
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:38,480
and stuff yeah okay there was a comedy

1965
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,040
sitcom

1966
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,640
that came out like within the last

1967
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:42,719
couple of years that was an

1968
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:46,560
alien family pretending to be human

1969
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,910
i don't remember that you're not

1970
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:53,600
thinking about new mexico show

1971
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,880
right yeah roswell new mexico

1972
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,640
that was actually pretty good it lasted

1973
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,080
like three seasons

1974
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,560
yes no this this was like that was like

1975
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:04,880
a 20 something that was cw

1976
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,640
yeah nbc or something

1977
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,279
it got cancelled before it even started

1978
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,839
airing i think but

1979
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,319
yeah a lot of that material hopefully

1980
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:18,719
they'll make it good

1981
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:27,349
yeah what chan what network is this on

1982
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:28,400
sci-fi

1983
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,040
still making like original shows anymore

1984
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,359
um mostly what they do they are the

1985
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,359
kings of original content

1986
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,279
oh you're gonna get into like shark

1987
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:40,880
versus plato yeah

1988
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:44,159
shark versus octopus and yes yeah

1989
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:48,080
all of those i love when they do them

1990
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:51,040
digital channel yeah i think this one's

1991
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:52,480
based on a um

1992
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:55,280
a graphic novel am i correct in that i

1993
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,760
believe that's

1994
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,080
correct yeah that's cool i always like

1995
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:00,159
to see those adaptations so

1996
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,960
um yeah it looks good the the um what do

1997
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:03,760
you call it

1998
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,040
the practical effects they have on uh

1999
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,480
two dicks like alien uh is

2000
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,960
really good i i i thought they did a

2001
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,320
fantastic job it's

2002
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:18,320
almost got like um a vaporwave feel to

2003
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,120
like his

2004
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,239
reptilian skin and whatnot um

2005
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:24,239
yeah yeah so i look forward i'm looking

2006
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,679
forward to it i'm gonna check it out for

2007
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,040
sure so

2008
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,760
is it actually premiering tonight or has

2009
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,440
it already aired

2010
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,440
because i could very well be premiering

2011
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,800
tonight on tv

2012
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,640
soon and then it says oh wait that's

2013
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,159
episode four sorry

2014
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,630
so it's it's already played four

2015
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:44,320
episodes it looks like okay what

2016
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,080
oh wow um well i have no i thought it

2017
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:50,159
was coming out like on the 28th or

2018
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,719
something

2019
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,480
okay well i'm looking at a very

2020
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:54,480
confusing time

2021
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,000
uh chart here where some is saying that

2022
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,960
it premieres on the 27th episode one

2023
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:01,679
season one

2024
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:05,440
but then it shows tonight at 11 35 p.m

2025
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:06,560
on sci-fi

2026
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,040
season one episode four i'm confused

2027
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:13,520
it says on scifi's website the season

2028
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,080
premiere

2029
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,719
is january 27th all right so it

2030
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,000
premieres this wednesday

2031
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,760
and we can all tune in i'm going to send

2032
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:21,920
this to you guys on our facebook chat

2033
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:23,230
because i'm not crazy

2034
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,149
well you know i i get excited about you

2035
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,000
know fiction and non-fiction shows alike

2036
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,520
the non-fiction shows certainly

2037
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,760
are are more exciting but you know you

2038
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,880
got to have fun too

2039
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,400
and i love what people are doing with

2040
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:40,560
the the fictional stuff these days

2041
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,600
so check that out too um

2042
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,920
but yeah i think that's it guys i i

2043
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:46,719
think we

2044
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,719
we mumbled and and uh

2045
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:53,520
bs our way through through this episode

2046
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,320
um

2047
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,239
without getting drunk which is always

2048
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:58,159
good for a happy hour show

2049
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:01,600
it was a very super happy hour

2050
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,480
yeah i was drinking apple cider

2051
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:08,159
you can put things in apple cider i'll

2052
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,679
tell you i did not

2053
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,840
yes you did i'm i'm i'm doing dry

2054
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,040
january so

2055
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,280
all right good for you i'm a tea totaler

2056
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,520
at the moment

2057
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,280
citizens that's going to do it for this

2058
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:21,199
this episode you can find more episodes

2059
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,960
of unknown on all the major podcast

2060
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,760
platforms

2061
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,199
and you can always find the show and our

2062
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,280
other shows at roadplanet.tv because

2063
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,880
unknown is rogue planet production

2064
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:31,360
rogueplanet.tv is your home for all the

2065
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:32,400
strange

2066
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,520
thanks again for hanging out with us

2067
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,440
today i'm jason mcclellan

2068
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,480
i'm maureen elsberry i'm ryan sprague

2069
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,520
and i'm shane hurd do us a favor friends

2070
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,880
always treat the ufo subject with the

2071
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,960
cautious and responsible skepticism it

2072
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,920
deserves

2073
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,920
question everything have the courage to

2074
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,360
form your own opinions

2075
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:51,440
keep truth as the focus of your quest

2076
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,480
even if the truth